Is six years long enough to complete a PhD?

The continuing debate over the PhD time limit.

by Sunny Marche

Most graduate school calendars have something explicit to say about how long students have to finish their programs, especially PhD programs. The Dalhousie University calendar, for example, says that the PhD is a six-year program and for full-time students only. This time limit is shared by many other schools, including the University of British Columbia, University of Toronto and University of Calgary. Our calendar goes on to explain the general policy around part-time studies, leaves of absence, and extensions. But, eventually you read, ominously: “Under no circumstances can a student be registered in a program for more than 10 years.”

Why is that rule in place? There is no shortage of discussion about how to shorten time-to-completion, but not much has been written on why this is desirable. But, after combing through the available literature, I arrived at the following observations.

A long time-to-completion makes it more likely that the candidate won’t complete their PhD, and it undermines the focus necessary for a successful outcome. There is an old rule in project management: “If it weren’t for the last minute, nothing would get done.”

A longer time from the initiation of studies to finished dissertation makes it riskier that what the candidate learned for the comprehensive exams is no longer a sound basis for the research. Very few fields of studies would be willing to assert they aren’t making material progress over a decade.

A longer time time-to-completion may also make it possible for a student to receive ongoing funding when they’re not making enough progress. Funding for doctoral students is limited, and this funding could have been used for more productive and focused students. Long times-to-completion also dilute the supervisory help available to other students.

When he was a graduate student in psychology at Dalhousie University, Frank Elgar wrote a report (PhD Degree Completion in Canadian Universities, PDF, 2003) for the Graduate Students’ Association of Canada that concluded the key to cash-strapped graduate programs may be in helping students finish sooner. “Low completion rates deter prospective graduate students,” he wrote, “thus creating long-term staffing and academic consequences, and long times-to-completion reduce the time graduates may potentially spend in gainful employment, which is particularly hurtful in an era of crippling student debt loads.”

There are still other arguments why time-to-completion is an issue, including the following:

  • Delayed graduation can affect student career progression.
  • Long program timetables makes it possible for faculty to exploit students in their effort to generate research outcomes for their own labs.
  • Time-to-completion figures are a measure used by governments and most universities as one proxy for university effectiveness. By permitting extensions, the department, faculty members and university all risk hurting their reputation. (In the U.K. time-to-completion data is considered so germane that it is one of the factors used by governments to set funding for individual institutions.)
  • PhD-completion delays are often a sign of supervisory problems.
  • Extending time-to-completion generally produces much higher debt for the student.
  • Higher time-to-completion rates reduce the number of excellent students who may take the program.

In the end, giving one student an extension is not going to end Western civilization as we know it, of course not. But it undermines the policy and makes it more difficult to apply the rule at all. So, we let one through, and two other student files land on my desk with a case for appeal (consuming more resources better allocated elsewhere). So I let three students through. Now we enter a debate about whether any deadline (15 years? 20 years?) is necessary. One thing is certain: whatever deadline you set, someone is going to ask for an extension.

One lesson I learned from this research is going to be put into action. At Dalhousie, we plan to take a much more proactive approach from now on. We are going to find the students who are at year five in their PhD program, and ring the bell. We don't care whether the students perceive the bell as the signal for the last lap, or the warning bell that it may be time to drop their studies. But we want them and their supervisors to pay attention to the time-to-completion issue well before the 10-year deadline.

Sunny Marche is a professor in the faculty of management at Dalhousie University.

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This is utter nonsense. I'm sorry, but there's no other way to put it. Due to supervisory problems, money woes, having kids and general life-getting-in-the-way, I took almost 10 years to complete my PhD. As an international student I worked an average of 15-20 hrs/week on RA/TA/GA gigs, some tangentially related to my own work, but mostly not. I read voraciously throughout, often in subfields outside my dissertation topic. Now, a few years into a tenure-track job I have the background knowledge to teach across a wide-range of subfields (both disciplinary and interdisciplinary), I have an understanding of both good (and bad) supervisory relationships, and I *still* continue to read widely. Since becoming a faculty member I've encountered far too many premature finishers (<5years) who have very very poor command of their discipline's breadth. In the rush to complete they became narrow specialists, thus missing out on the opportunity to develop strong, rounded and grounded scholarship. Many also lack teaching chops. I was lucky to have found a very supportive (and very tough) supervisor who gave me the breathing space to complete. In a Management PhD 10 years might not look so hot, but for a range of other disciplines less than 5 years is likely to produce scholars with narrow focus who feel entitled to make proclamations on the kinds of PhDs that everybody should be doing. If you're in grad school you do really want to get out as soon as you can, but don't listen to the sort of drivel that demeans the intangible value that attaches to wide reading and broad engagement. And that takes time.

Posted by MH, May 30, 2012 3:29 PM

Discussions about time-limits rarely acknowledge external factors such as the changing socioeconomic educational landspace. The PhD environment is different than it was when our supervisors were students and I get tired of these baby boomer academics making comparisons to their situation - they have no freaking clue what we're dealing with. I can't afford NOT to work as someone has to pay my tuition and I no longer qualify for dept funding aside from sessional work which is never guaranteed, leading me to find work in other dept's or outside the academy altogether. As David Newman comments, this only make it more improbable that a student will finish 'on-time'. It's a vicious cycle and people who finish within 4 years are not common which should tell you something.
I also agree with matildamuffet's comments. I too experienced a sudden death in the family during my program and probably lost about a year from my studies with basically no support from my dept or supervisor and didn't realize I could have gone on leave.
Academics should know better than to make sweeping generalizations about PhD students and I'm somewhat horrified at the characterization that those who don't/can't finish in 4 years are "lazy". That's pretty ignorant. Everyone's situation is different.

Posted by ndp, May 22, 2012 2:49 PM

I would echo Andrea Woodburn's comments.

Strict application of this rule, with an expectation of full-time research training activity for 5 years, effectively prohibits health professionals from pursuing PhD studies. A newly qualified medical specialist in a clinical specialty (medicine, surgery, anesthesia, etc.) cannot take 5 years away from clinical practice and expect to retain her/his skills, nor to be current with practice standards when they come back to clinical work. It may be possible for a mid-career clinician to take the time, but the expertise acquired during the first years of practice is critical to clinical competence.

I would say that research training that lasts more than 1-2 years (i.e. anything beyond a Masters level) must allow for significant clinical work (a minimum of 30-50%) to develop and maintain clinical skills, and thus must allow for significant flexibility in program duration.

Posted by Allen Finley, May 17, 2012 6:24 AM

In sum, adjustments to allow on-time completion:

1) Supervision, 25%
2) Student committment/readiness, 25%
3) Teaching, other non-program duties, 15%
4) Financial support, stipend/scholarship, 15%
5) Scope/standization of PhD research load, 10%
6) Policy/collecitve advise on study programs, 10%

It should be easy to see here how the best of a student's efforts is only part of a system that needs good coordination.

Posted by Grad Student, May 16, 2012 8:26 PM

It is almost impossible for a Ph.D. student in Asian Studies to finish in six years. Non-asian students need more time than that to acquire the fluency they need in their target languages to do the necessary research. (Students in Korean Studies, for example, need to read Korean, Japanese, and Chinese.) And Asian students need to raise their English to academic quality. Normally, across North America, it takes 9 years to finish a Ph.D. in Asian Studies.

Posted by Don Baker, May 16, 2012 5:52 PM

Not all PhD's are the same. Different disciplines require different modes of research and analysis. For example, individuals who conduct participant observation as a primary mode of analysis are not simply dependent upon a fixed archive or lab time. Instead, their research hinges on the life world of their informants, who may choose when, where, and if an interview is to take place. I am shocked that individuals who are trained, and recognized for their critical thinking so readily construct individuals who are unable to complete their work within the six year allotted time frame as "lazy" or "incompetent". Rather than assuming why students quit or fail to complete their work perhaps we should investigate the barriers to completion. By suggesting that a student lacks the ability or is just plain lazy presupposes that the "choice" to finish one's work is solely up to an individual and fails to acknowledge the structure of universities and funding. For an alternative to such assumptions I offer a piece that was published in this magazine a few months back:
http://www.universityaffairs.ca/speculative-diction/my-grief-lies-all-within-phd-students-depression-attrition/


Posted by Emily Simmonds, May 16, 2012 3:42 PM

I read this with an awe. There is always a reason behind certain rules. It is obvious that PhD degree surely does not design for a weak will, and an average commitment person who can not master their time, money, and priority management consciously. I was a straight "A" student through out my student career and became "B+" after having 1 child during my undergraduate. That is why I never attempt go on with my master degree. I always regret for it. I traded my higher education for my marriage. I understood all comments, but I do not buy it. However, I sympathize with students having all special, or difficult occasions such as personally sudden illness, parent's death (an impact financial support cut off) during the 5th year in PhD program. These students should be granted an extension to complete their PhD degree.

Posted by May King, May 10, 2012 3:23 AM

This time-line also needs to consider personal issues or interruptions. Several of my colleagues, while students, experienced such interruptions, which ranged from the death of a parent and the birth of a child to illnesses as difficult to cope with as cancer. I experienced the death of a parent, and, subsequently, lost 18 months of work. During this time, not a single person explained to me that my school actually had a 'leave' option for such emergencies. Needless to say, on paper, it's looks as though my PhD took just under 7 years, when, in fact, it didn't. I'm not sure if taking an official break would make a difference in the end, but I can't help but think that on paper my completion time looks worse than that of someone who experienced no interruptions and finished in 5 years straight. Programs need to retain a degree of flexibility -- for all of the reasons mentioned above and for reasons such as this.

Posted by matildamuffet, May 8, 2012 4:22 AM

If a student cannot teach part-time and finish a PhD within 6 years then they will never function as full time academics who must teach, research, write and do admin to stay on course for tenure and promotion. Even working near full-time teaching a PhD should be do-able. Students need to remember that a PhD is not their magnus opus.

Posted by Michael, May 3, 2012 5:53 AM

Cut the course load and focus on original research and no reason why a PhD (at least one in engineering or biomedical sciences) cannot be completed within 5 years. Mine took 4 yrs and 7 months. Seen the whoel range from 3.5 yrs to 7.5 yrs. The ones that took over 6 were typically lazy/un-motivated or had a really lousy/lazy supervisor. Choose wisely, don't lose the focus, have reasonable work habits (but never forget a bit of fun for de-stressing) and you will do fine!

Posted by SC, Apr 27, 2012 5:39 PM

Funding, funding, funding, this is the only major problem. In my department, at a university in Quebec, PhD students can get $9000 scholarships for upt to TWO years!!! Talk about supporting excellence! I have to work full-time, publish, go to conferences, all this with the measly pay I get and the loans from the government. It is a luxury, a PhD, nowadays.

Posted by AC, Apr 18, 2012 4:16 PM

Are universities willing to give money back for lack of adequate services provided to those who fail to meet the deadline. It seems to me that it is only fair that students who do not finish on time for reasons that relate to lack of access to proper resources - including faculty with time and energy to supervise which we all know is in serious decline in most universities due to budgetary policies that prefer to equate education to a product and pedagogy to service providing - get their money back. If we're going to think of degrees as products then students are in their perfect right to demand that the product work once purchased. The logic of the market cannot be used one-sidedly to favour some and make paupers of already cash strapped students.

Posted by Anon, Apr 16, 2012 6:54 PM

Perhaps the criteria for graduate students should change for acceptance into PhD programs - at least in the Canadian universities that I have applied. Working full time and having family commitments did not prevent me from completing my undergraduate double-major program in 4 years. The same year, only 22% of undergrads finished their Bachelor's degree in 4 years. Neither was full-time employment and family responsibilities an impediment for completing my Master's degree (6 courses, thesis, defense) in the allotted two years. I still work full time, teach as a sessional, present at high profile peer-reviewed conferences regularly and publish articles on a range of topics. So why do I have to pay international fees to complete a PhD outside Canada? Because apparently because of my numerous external obligations, I could not finish a PhD in 4 years. Sigh!

Posted by Ms. Too Busy, Apr 16, 2012 6:51 PM

I am in the midst of a PhD that is a 6 year program but with only 4 years of guaranteed funding and with 50% of that funding coming from TA work. The expectation is that we have to teach, publish, attend conferences, complete field work, (in my case rather expensive overseas research), and still write a 200-300 page dissertation, on top of the actual degree requirements like taking classes and completing field and candidacy exams. Indeed too much teaching delays completion time which creates a false economy for the students, as ultimately teaching wages just go towards paying tuition. There has to be a way around this problem. Graduate students feel as though they are sources of cheap labour for their departments, and there are many professors and administrators who openly admit to that being the case. But we need to teach and publish in order to find jobs when we are finished. The pressure to do all of these things is already enormous; for a dean to start ringing the alarm in year 5 (or year 4 in the case of my department at my university) is extremely problematic. The actual expectations for students needs to change, or the way funding is distributed needs to be adjusted to allow graduate students the time and flexibility to do research for both their dissertations and publishable articles and not feel like they constantly are in a race against time. My department actually considers PhD students beyond year 4 as no longer students in good standing, placing them in the lowest level of priority for TA or adjunct work within the department, and I know my department isn't the only one that operates this way. It is a major problem for graduate students.

Dr. Marche writes: "We are going to find the students who are at year five in their PhD program, and ring the bell. We don't care whether the students perceive the bell as the signal for the last lap, or the warning bell that it may be time to drop their studies." How is this discourse promoting a healthy atmosphere for PhD students who are constantly scrambling to do everything they are expected of and still complete in a timely fashion? Does it create at atmosphere where students feel safe or secure in their departments or institutions? As someone who is inside of a similar structure, I suggest that it doesn't. Bad supervisors are definitely an issue, but so do policies and program designs that don't consider the working conditions of their students. From personal experience and the experiences of many of my colleagues and friends, David Newman's comments definitely ring true. Please consider that before making policies about ringing alarm bells in year 5.

Posted by S, Apr 13, 2012 6:55 AM

I agree with Andrew's comment about sub-par supervision for graduate students. I have spoken with students who have had supervisors take over a year to get back to them with revisions on their dissertations, or have suggested their graduate student completely abandon their dissertation research topic for an alternate research topic in their final year of their doctoral studies. I myself have observed and experienced supervisors who are so caught up in their own academic writing, teaching, committee work, etc, that they neglect to support their graduate students with much-needed feedback on thesis and dissertation proposals and drafts. This significantly delays completion of theses and dissertations. Faculty need to be reminded that when they agree to supervise graduate students in doctoral programs, they are making a commitment to support their graduate students, and this should be a priority.

Posted by Anonymous, Apr 12, 2012 10:03 AM

Failure to complete a Ph.D. within 5 years may simply reflect a lack of ability. Giving students longer will not solve this problem.

Posted by John Marsh, Apr 11, 2012 9:45 PM

While teaching duties do take time away from research, it is essential for PhD students to do soem teaching if they intend to pursue academic careers. However, as David newman points out, there has to be a balance. Too much teaching will delay graduation.

A far more pernicious source of delay, however, is indifferent to bad supervision. It is relatively routine for supervisors to give contradictory advice, fail to return thesis chapters in a timely manner, or mis-read the degree of independance that individual students can bring to their studies.

I know of a number of cases of friends still in PhD programs, who were either misled or neglected by supervisors. I know of one instance in which a student left a program, and was never even contacted by the "supervisor" to find out why.

Finally, if a PhD is supposed to take 4 or 5 year program ( I don't know where 6 years comes from), then the amount of work given should be doable in that space of time. There is no point trying to fit a decade's worth of work into 5 years of study.

Posted by Andrew Park, Apr 11, 2012 4:07 PM

10 years is more than plenty to finish a PhD. It's too long if anything. I think there should be a seven year cutoff, at which point a student can apply for a one-year extension up to two times. This way, the pressure would be greater to get down to work on the dissertation right after comps. I've seen it so many times - a student becomes a candidate and then spends the next three years doing research before putting a pen to paper... when maybe a years worth of research is what's needed to meet dept guidelines. No dept handbooks call for students to write a 700 page dissertation, so why students spend a decade producing one is beyond me.

Having 7 year+ students around a dept does no-one any benefit.

Posted by Dr.Doinglittle, Apr 11, 2012 3:45 PM

It may be worth considering groups that might be deterred from engaging in a PhD due to such a rule, for example:

(1) Full- and part-time teachers within the university who are trying to complete a PhD while teaching

(2) Mothers or fathers trying to balance family and school

(3) Professionals engaging in a PhD to further their expertise in and make a research contribution to their given field, but who cannot entirely quit working except for limited time windows

All three groups may bring something to the table that compensates for the extra time, support, and latitude they require to make it. At least I hope so, because I fit into category one, and it will have taken me seven years.

Posted by Andrea J. Woodburn, Apr 11, 2012 2:13 PM

An issue closely tied to this is funding/support for PhD students.
When students are relying on TAships and teaching for their support, and they are in a trimester system, they are effectively only part-time students even if for university purposes they are full-time. Without sufficient financial support for non-teaching semesters to allow a focus on the research and funding, the time to completion will always be longer.

Posted by David Newman, Apr 11, 2012 12:13 PM


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